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Why We’re Supporting St. James Infirmary for the Holidays

November 30, 2015 by Godless Perverts Leave a Comment

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We may be Godless, but that doesn’t mean that we don’t know how to party. For the last two years, we’ve helped the non-believer community celebrate the winter holidays in a secular fashion by holding the Godless Perverts Holiday Fun Time, a social event complete with icebreaker games, weird songs, and decadent desserts. We’re having it at Borderlands Café this year, a magnificent community space, and we’ve got a lot of great uses planned out for it.

We’ll have our usual silly icebreaker games, goofy but fun holiday songs (Walt Kelly’s “Deck Us All With Boston Charlie” is a perennial favorite), delicious potluck holiday treats (bring your favorite to share – we will!), and the pleasure of connecting with our fellow secularists. And this year, Greta’s going to be giving openly fraudulent Tarot card readings! She’s almost completely guaranteed not to tell your future (except by accident), but it’s just as sure to be a great deal of fun. It’ll be on Saturday, December 12, 8-11 pm, at Borderlands Café, 870 Valencia St. in San Francisco, near the 24th St. & Mission BART station.

This year, as you may know, we’re doing it a little bit differently. The Godless Perverts Holiday Fun Time is not only going to be fun, but it’s going to be a fundraiser for an organization that we’ve admired for a long time: The St. James Infirmary.

To do that, we’re trying to raise $700 to pay for space rental, refreshments, and assorted expenses of this year’s party. We’re almost just over halfway there, thanks to the generosity of some of you. As we get closer to our goal, we thought that it would be a good time to talk about the organization that we’re supporting this year, and why we think that they’re so awesome.

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Filed Under: Activism, Events, Gender Tagged With: Christy Mack, Greta Christina, James Deen, rape, sex work, sexual assault, St. James Infirmary, Stoya

Bisexual or Pansexual: Do We Have to Choose One?

July 25, 2014 by Chris Hall Leave a Comment

Bisexual or Pansexual - Choose One

A few days ago, we reposted Greta’s piece about “Bisexual or Pansexual?” from FreethoughtBlogs. Since then, the entire topic has seen a lot of discussion, not only on Greta’s blog, but throughout social media and other blogs. It’s not a new issue, naturally, and it arouses a lot of passion on both sides. This is my contribution — and mine alone — to the discussion as a whole.

Ambiguity, or: Drifting Afloat on a Small Raft Somewhere North of the Kinsey Scale

In truth, the debate over whether bisexual or pansexual is more appropriate is kind of a weird one for me to involve myself in. I’ve always been a little ambivalent to what label defines me best. The last piece I read at the Godless Perverts Story Hour dealt with that very ambivalence. I may repost that essay here, but in brief: I’m a cisgendered male who primarily likes women and people on the femme side of the spectrum. I’ve never seized on the terms “bisexual” or “queer” although they definitely describe real aspects of my sexuality. I suppose part of it is that, having developed so much of my sexuality in the Bay Area, I’ve also developed a little bit of an inferiority complex. I know scores of people who are so much bi-er, queerer, and kinkier than me, that it always felt just a little bit pretentious. And also, my sexuality is always in flux. It’s always a work in progress, so I’ve never quite settled on a single way to describe it. The best I can come up with is “curious.”

But still, I do have a lot of thoughts on the discussion of “bisexual” vs. “pansexual.” They’re complex enough that I decided that I’d like to give them their own entry instead of commenting on Greta’s post, or on Facebook.

Here’s the tl;dr version: I think both terms are fine. I don’t object to anyone identifying as either bisexual or pansexual, and think that everyone should use whichever one sounds right. However, I do have a big problem with attempts to stigmatize bisexual as a term that inherently excludes nonbinary genders.

Bisexual and Pansexual Pride Flags

Do we have to get rid of one to respect the other?

Words Mean Things — But What?

I’m a writer, which means I love language. I can be a bit of a pain in the ass over it, actually; I’m one of those people who would probably start a land war to save the Oxford comma and would support public floggings for people who put an apostrophe in the possessive form of “it.” I’m not going to make the stupid claim that words don’t matter. Of course words fucking matter. That’s the whole point of words.

That being said, I think that one of the most tedious and self-destructive aspects of lefty politics is the tendency to get into huge debates policing the proper use and meaning of words. The problem is that these discussions tend to be dominated by an academic model. They focus on the etymology of words, the historical roots, the dictionary definitions, as if by looking at these things in just the right way, we will be able to discern the one and only true meaning of each word. Ultimately, these discussions take a top-down view of language. Rather than trying to understand what people saying, they feel like an ongoing attempt to compile our own version of The Oxford English Dictionary or The Elements of Style, an unambiguous and official guide of what words mean and how to use them.

The debate over bisexual vs. pansexual is a perfect example of this. The argument boils down to the meaning of two Greek prefixes. If we’re treating language as a strictly literal device that can be easily captured by a dictionary definition, the case against “bisexual” is a strong one: bi- means “two” or “pair,” and pan means “all.” According to a dictionary, the difference between the two should be clear.

But you miss a lot about language if all you ever look at is a dictionary. Knowing nothing more than the dictionary definitions of words is a good way to become a shitty writer.

Like the shoes we wear, our words pick up residue as they move through the world. They’re covered with the mud, soil, ash, and blood that we trudge through, and it imbues them with meaning beyond the mere linguistic trappings. The meaning of “bisexual” isn’t just about a given Greek prefix. Like any other word, it changes according to who says it, and when, and where. If you’re browsing porn sites, “bisexual” will invariably mean two (or more) men in a three-way with a woman. Two (or more) women in a three-way with a man is just heterosexual porn. On a dating site, both men and women can be bi, and they may not even be into three-ways or polyamory.

The truth is that no matter what the dictionary says, no matter what the prefix meant to ancient Greeks, a lot of people don’t use “bisexual” as a way of saying “cisgendered men or cisgendered women only.” As has been pointed by others, even if you take “bi” literally, it doesn’t have to refer to the two genders of the traditional binary. For many people, it means “same and other,” and to dismiss that out of hand is to deny other people the right to define their own sexuality.

The truth is that like any other word, neither “bisexual” nor “pansexual” means anything by themselves. No word has meaning on its own, as if it were kept alone in a sterilized clean room. Meaning is imparted by the culture and conversations around a word, and as those change, so does the word itself. The more we have conversations about nonbinary gender as a matter of course, the more natural it seems to assume that a bisexual person is talking about that spectrum, not just two traditionally-defined genders. Without having those conversations, substituting “pansexual” is just a piece of social justice theater that signifies nothing.

A gender-neutral WC sign from Stockholm.  Flickr  / Creative Commons

A gender-neutral WC sign from Stockholm. Flickr / Creative Commons

Bisexuals vs. Binaries

The fluid nature of language is a pretty abstract issue compared to something else that I find even more relevant: The fact that people who identify as bisexuals are being asked to defend that identity when others are not. Pretty much all the words that we have to describe gender and sexual orientation evolved within the traditional binary, and reference it in one way or another. If we were to go back to playing the prefix game, “hetero” means “other” in Greek, and in our modern context, we assume that heterosexual men are attracted exclusively to women and that heterosexual women are attracted exclusively to men. Similarly, “homo” mean “same” in Greek, and in practice, if someone identifies as gay or lesbian, we assume that their sexual partners are at the same end of the gender binary as they are. It’s impossible to say that any of these terms don’t rely on the gender binary, but for most people, their use isn’t really an issue. You rarely hear lesbians, straights, or gay men chastised because the way they identify reinforces the gender binary.

Cover of Julia Serano's book, "Excluded"I owe a lot of my insight on this issue to trans activist and writer Julia Serano, especially her book Excluded, in which she writes:

Over the last several years, it has become increasingly common to hear people in queer communities claim that the word bisexual “reinforces the gender binary.” In October 2010, I wrote an Internet article (which I’ll refer to here as the “reinforcing” essay) challenging these claims. Specifically, the article illustrated how the reinforcing trope (i.e., the notion that certain genders, sexualities, or identities “reinforce” the gender binary, or heteronormativity, or the patriarchy, or the hegemonic-gender-system-of-your-choice) is selectively doled out in queer and feminist communities in order to police their borders. Since queer communities are dominated by non-feminine, cisgender, and exclusively gay and lesbian folks, these individuals are almost never accused of “reinforcing the gender binary.” In contrast, more marginalized identities (e.g., bisexual, transgender, femme) are routinely subjected to the reinforcing trope. ((Serano, Julia. Excluded: Making Feminism and Other Movements More Inclusive; Seal Press, 2013; pp. 81-82.))

Bisexual identities have always been red-headed stepchildren in the queer spectrum, and there’s no way that there can be a legitimate conversation about the word itself without recognizing that history. To this day, the B and the T are more a part of the stationery than the agenda for a lot of activist groups, and I have to be immediately suspicious of yet another effort to question the legitimacy of the term when there exists no similar effort to examine the implications of other sexual identifiers.

Ironically, the reason that bisexuality has always aroused suspicion is that it resists sexual binaries. Most people, even now, like being able to put everyone into one column or the other: either gay or straight. Because they won’t pick a side, because their very identity resists the idea that you don’t have to be one or the other, bisexuals have historically been dismissed as fencesitters, phonies, closet cases, sexual tourists, and disease carriers. And that history makes it much more vulnerable to having its validity questioned than terms like “gay” or “straight” which are located solidly at polar opposites of the binary. Nobody has ever questioned the existence of gay people or straight people, but the existence of bisexual people? That’s fair game.

Pansexual vs. Bisexual: Another False Binary?

Not a word of this is meant to disparage the word “pansexual,” nor to invalidate its use as an identity. I think it’s a perfectly fine word, although not one that I’m likely to use for myself. I am opposed to embracing it at the cost of discarding a word that has a long history of challenging rigid categories of sexuality; I’m even more opposed to characterizing the people who do identify as bisexual as members of a repressive old order who deny all genders other than the traditional two. To do so is to speak for them, disregarding what they say about their own sexualities and genders.

To be honest, I think that the idea that we need to choose between the two is a false binary in itself. I think that “bisexual” is a useful term, but it’s true that it’s an imperfect one. So is every other word that’s used to describe sexuality or gender. By their very nature, they’re approximations, quick thumbnail sketches that we toss out to people to give them a few broad, general facts about who we are and what we like. In the end, they don’t say much. Part of that is because trying to describe the sexuality of one person, whether your own or that of someone else, is like trying to hit a moving target while standing in the back of a pickup truck with bad shocks and broken steering column that’s zooming in the opposite direction. I’m a different person sexually — actually, in all ways — now than I was when I was twenty-five. And when I was twenty-five, I was a different person than I was when I was sixteen. But it’s not just me that’s changed; the world around me has changed. No one word — whether heterosexual, bisexual, pansexual, kinky, or queer — can encompass all the places that I’ve been, all the things that I’ve thought in that time.

Just as we’re now eschewing rigid binaries, we shouldn’t try to nail our identities down with a single word that we think will continue to describe us equally well through the decades. All of us need many words to describe what our sexualities and genders are, what they have been, and what they might be. I would even argue that you could be pansexual and bisexual at the same time. Perhaps you find that bisexual and pansexual each describe different aspects of yourself, or that one says what you need better than the other in a certain time and place.

If we wind up discarding “bisexual” for “pansexual” or vice-versa, we will have one less way to talk about sex and gender. In seeking diversity, our vocabulary could very well become more narrow and leave us less articulate about sex than ever.

Chris Hall

About Chris Hall

A somewhat nerdy pervert who looks (mostly) normal on the outside, Chris Hall is fascinated by the politics, culture, and art of sex. He has written for The Atlantic, Alternet, SF Weekly, Slixa, numerous anthologies, and a dog blog that will go discreetly unnamed here.

Filed Under: Gender, Opinion Tagged With: bisexual, gender, gender identity, LGBT, pansexual, politics

Bisexual or Pansexual?

July 19, 2014 by Greta Christina Leave a Comment

Bisexual or Pansexual, by Greta Christina

Cross-posted from Greta Christina’s Blog.

I’ve been pondering the question of whether I should keep using the word “bisexual” to describe myself, or whether I should start using “pansexual” instead. I wanted to run the pros and cons by y’all and get feedback.

On the one hand: The word “bisexual” feeds into the gender binary, in a way that I don’t feel comfortable with. It implies that either (a) there are only two genders, or (b) there are more than two genders, but I’m only attracted to two of them. Neither of these is correct. I accept the existence of people who don’t identify on a gender binary — and there are non-gender-binary-identifying people who I think are hot. “Pansexual” would be a more respectful word, and it would be more accurate.

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Greta Christina

About Greta Christina

Greta Christina has been writing professionally since 1989, on topics including atheism, sexuality and sex-positivity, LGBT issues, politics, culture, and whatever crosses her mind. She is author of Coming Out Atheist: How to Do It, How to Help Each Other, Why Are You Atheists So Angry? 99 Things That Piss Off the Godless, and of Bending: Dirty Kinky Stories About Pain, Power, Religion, Unicorns, & More, and is editor of Paying For It: A Guide by Sex Workers for Their Clients. She has been a public speaker for many years, and is on the speaker's bureaus of the Secular Student Alliance. Her writing has appeared in multiple magazines and newspapers, including Ms., Penthouse, Chicago Sun-Times, On Our Backs, Skeptical Inquirer and numerous anthologies, including Everything You Know About God Is Wrong and three volumes of Best American Erotica. She is co-founder and co-organizer of Godless Perverts, a performance series and social community that promotes a positive view of sexuality without religion. She lives in San Francisco with her wife, Ingrid. You can email her at gcgreta (at) doubtfulpalace (dot) com, and follow her on Twitter at @GretaChristina.

Filed Under: Gender, Opinion Tagged With: gender binaries, identity, LGBT, queer, sexuality

Guest Post: Transphobia at the Godless Perverts Story Hour

December 23, 2013 by Godless Perverts Leave a Comment

Last month, we received this email concerning the August, 2013 Godless Perverts Story Hour, which was held at the Center for Sex and Culture. After discussing the issues among ourselves, and asking the permission of the author, we’ve decided to publish it here on the blog, so that the issues can be addressed publicly.

The tl;dr version is this; the author saw parts of M. Christian’s performance as transphobic, especially one line that mockingly speculated that Ann Coulter has a penis. This isn’t a new idea, and it’s been criticized by queer communities before, such as in this piece from last year, at The Advocate. (Caution: You have to watch a few seconds of video to get to the article.) There’s also this article, from Jezebel, which gives a lot of things that Coulter should be ashamed of. Whether she’s cis or trans isn’t one of them.

We’d like to thank Jessica for writing us about this. We welcome criticism and commentary on our events, especially if you think that we’ve gotten things wrong. The whole point of Godless Perverts is that atheist communities have often built spaces that are closed or hostile to all but a narrow spectrum of genders and sexualities. Godless Perverts exists to build spaces that are much more open. We apologize for failing to do that here. We know that building such spaces is a lot easier said than done, and we hope that people will continue to give us feedback.

We offered M. Christian the opportunity to respond to Jessica’s comments, but he declined. 

Dear Godless Perverts,

Let me start out by saying, I absolutely love the Godless Perverts Story Hour. Also, I apologize that the issue I want to address is in regards to something that happened quite a while ago. However, I still feel that it is an important thing to address if you are interested in creating a welcoming and inclusive space for queer and trans individuals.

At the Story Hour that happened last September, I was surprised by a transphobic humor piece read by M. Christian (the Jesus’s penis story). First, he equates having a penis and being a man, which I can understand is just a reflection of the cissexist society that we live in (though perhaps a queer writer should have known better). Then, he make a joke about Ann Coulter having a penis, which I can’t think of any other interpretation to, except Ann Coulter is a transwoman, and is therefor gross. I didn’t understand the joke, and saw a number of people, including transwomen in the audience, cringe. My partner and I strongly considered leaving at that point, and I overheard another group talking about leaving (they didn’t return after intermission). I assume it made many people in the audience (both cis and trans) feel unsafe and excluded.

Thank you for taking the time to read this email. I would really appreciate it if at the next Story Hour, you would address the idea that everyone is welcome in the space and call out transphobia in the future. I am sorry that I didn’t address this when it first came up.

Jessica

Filed Under: Gender, Opinion Tagged With: LGBT, readings, transgender, transphobia

Reminder: Social Club Tomorrow – Plus, a Few Words on Community & Harassment

September 30, 2013 by Chris Hall

First, we want to give a quick reminder to everyone here in the San Francisco area: Tomorrow is the first Tuesday of October, and that means that we’ll be gathering for the Godless Perverts Social Club at Wicked Grounds once again. If you’re all rested up from Folsom, or whatever you did this weekend, we strongly encourage you to join us. It’s a night of heresy, mixed with caffeine and munchies, in a kink-supportive environment. As we always remind people, the event is free, but we really, really want you to spend money at the front counter. Wicked Grounds is a huge asset to the San Francisco alt-sex communities, and we want to make sure they stay in business. Plus, we’ve started to get a reputation as good tippers among the staff there, and we want to keep it.

Although the Godless Perverts Social Club is a lot of fun, it’s really serious business to us as well. You’ve probably noticed that there’s been a lot of media chatter about atheist groups starting their own equivalents to churches. ((Update: I think I over-stated my own cynicism about the Sunday Assembly idea, and would like to make the point that it’s based on my own feelings about church, rather than a collective one. But on the whole, I’d rather not see atheism mimic all the structures of standard religion, and instead seek out its own forms of community building. I for one spent years going to Episcopal services as a lad, and found the whole process dry and dull, and not inspiring at all. Certainly, there are some who will find the Sunday Assemblies helpful. I wish them good luck; we all need to build support and community in any we can. But for myself, I feel like I’ve been down that path once already.)) Although I personally find the idea kind of pointless, and counter to what’s great about being atheists, the fact that some people like the idea points to something that we have to acknowledge: one of the most devastating things that people lose when they leave religion is not the sense of morality, or eternal reward after death, but the sense of belonging to a community. It’s also one of the reasons that people are often suspicious of atheists: we’re perceived as people who have cut themselves off from the community.

And so, the Godless Perverts Social Club is an attempt to at least partly fill that need. The feeling we want people to go away with is that they are accepted for their godlessness, their queerness, or their perviness.

Towards that end, it is very important to us that people of all genders, identities, and sexual orientations feel comfortable hanging out at the Social Club or any other Godless Perverts events. We’re bringing this up not because we’ve had any problems so far, but because this has become a huge problem in the atheist and skeptic communities at large, and we want to make sure that it doesn’t become a problem for us.

So let me just say this: although we don’t have a formal harassment policy yet, we will not tolerate harassment or unwelcome sexual advances at our events. If you’re at a Godless Perverts event and are made uncomfortable by someone or something, please tell us. You can approach any of our people in charge, or contact us through the website. We’re also interested in hearing more general feedback on how to make Godless Perverts a better environment. We aren’t opposed to people managing to hook up at our events, but keep in mind basic consideration: if someone indicates that they’re not interested, or that they’re uncomfortable, then back off.

These are just a few elementary thoughts, and as we grow, we’ll expand on them and develop more specific strategies. But for now, know that we’re committed to growing a community that’s accepting of atheists of all genders, races, orientations, and identities. If you ever think we’re fucking up on that goal, let us know.

Chris Hall

About Chris Hall

A somewhat nerdy pervert who looks (mostly) normal on the outside, Chris Hall is fascinated by the politics, culture, and art of sex. He has written for The Atlantic, Alternet, SF Weekly, Slixa, numerous anthologies, and a dog blog that will go discreetly unnamed here.

Filed Under: Gender, Harassment, Opinion

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